By Shivi Verma
A well educated modern man with the profundity of a cosmic experience behind him, Guru Naushir is both intelligent company and a master who can help you find yourself, says Shivi Verma
Reading the book, Amrit (which I reviewed for Life Positive), by Guruji Naushir, a direct disciple of Mahavtar Babaji, was an enriching experience. Meeting him in person to know more about him was the next logical step. An appointment was fixed and soon I was inside his pleasant room at his residence in the Parsi colony at Khareghat, Mumbai.
Despite the profundity of wisdom revealed in his book, Guru Naushir came across as a deeply humble and down-to-earth individual. Gurudom has not cast a mystical allure over his appearance. He could well pass off as an affable, cool and intelligent man next door.
My eyes were drawn to the framed picture of a young man playing the flute in the backdrop of moss green mountains, displayed on a low stool.
“This is the first ever real picture of Mahavtar Babaji which he agreed to pose for, when I requested him. I was not even sure if he would appear in the final print,” said Guruji Naushir, with a chuckle.
I took a close look at the elusive image of the legendary deathless Master. Mahavtar Babaji’s increasing influence on world consciousness was getting more visible.
Conversation with Guruji Naushir was delightful as well as informative of his deep connect with the mystical.
Tell us something about your life journey.
I was born in Mumbai and grew up in a place called Devlali. I became a CA by default. I practised for 10-12 years and then got married. I am still married. But I was miserable in my profession and mostly felt like a fish out of water. From 1997, my real journey started. I met my first guru, Yogiraj Mangeshda, and from there my life really began to fall into place.
How would you describe this meeting?
I used to be a voracious reader of philosophical and spiritual books. Only when I met Yogiraj did I realize the real import of human intervention on the spiritual path. Till then I thought I knew it all. I had read about 2,000 books on spirituality and I carried the burden of considering myself enlightened. In the first few meetings with a real guru, I realized that all that I knew was completely superficial. I was zero. All the reading of philosophical and spiritual books amounted to nothing because of lack of experience. When I met him, I felt an immediate connect. That is how it always feels normally with a guru and a disciple. Somewhere it works like a lock and key. Either it fits or it doesn’t.
Does this identification happen from both the sides?
Yes, but the onus is always on the disciple to recognise the guru first. Because a guru sees hundreds of disciples but you see only one guru. Initially, it is upto the disciple to recognize and connect with the guru. The guru then comes forward and holds you by the hand and takes you into his fold.
You were personally trained by Mahavtar Babaji to become a guru. Was there a special reason?
|Guruji Naushir casts a loving glance at the picture of his beloved guru, Mahavtar Babaji|
Were you fearful of the conditions?
I had no fear but I did wonder if I would live up to his expectations. I agreed to accept all his conditions implicitly. I never had a doubt. That’s when he took on a guru role. He began to give me many instructions and information, most of it on the sadhana I should do. When you become a guru of his lineage you can’t just have book knowledge. Because that is not what he wants. A guru according to his interpretation must be empowered. Otherwise you are just a teacher.
What kind of power?
Let’s say power to make the impossible possible. Power to change a human being’s life. The power to intervene, bring relief and help out of suffering. Not that you do it all the time or at any point of time, but you must have the power. Those secrets were revealed to me. But I had to work on myself to become like that. He gives you a raw fruit, and you have to ripen it. So I had to do sadhana to make it blossom. You must be able to bring energetic changes in the subtle body of a person. That is when you actually become a guru.
You had a painful experience of kundalini awakening. (His temperature had shot up drastically and he was in deep physical pain for many days during tapas). Does this precede every kundalini awakening?
This happened because I meditated intensely for eight to nine hours without a break, with very little food in the course of a week. Normally, kundalini awakening happens gradually over a period of time. I accellerated the process, therefore the effect was so dramatic. Normally, the body has to be strong enough to withhold such an experience, but when you have a guru like Mahavtar Babaji there is nothing to worry. He controls the kundalini. That is how I could give shaktipath deeksha to thousands of people. I control the kundalini shakti. I don’t let it go out of hand.
For many people the spiritual path can be very painful because the mind gets exposed to several dimensions. Some people even fall into depression. How can this be helped? Many people also get wary of spirituality because of this.
This is where a proper guru, an empowered guru, becomes extremely important. In your search you might find a wrong guru. But if you are destined to meet a right guru, you will. Sadly many people do not recognise a true guru even when he is present. They have a certain concept in mind on how a guru should be. Earlier, people used to tell me, you a guru? Because I did not look like a traditional guru with a long beard, white hair, 14 rudraksh malas and tikas.
Did it ever come in the way of real disciples identifying you?
Many were able to identify me quite early, but many took their time, which is fair enough. I think a person should be sure. I tell people: Recognise your guru with your heart, but follow him with your mind. You must see a connect first. After that feel around, look how he lives, and conducts himself in day-to-day life. If you feel that he is into money laundering or human trafficking, run away. The best way is to find out what other disciples have achieved. You get to know if the guru has the power to deliver. Ultimately, the guru has to deliver. If he cannot, leave him. Connect with the heart, but see with your mind.
You have spoken about karmic debts in your book. But there are people who lead a charmed life. How do you explain that?
Karma is both negative and positive. And we have lived innumerable lives to build up this karmic baggage. In each lifetime we have to go through a combination of both the baggages, positive and negative. Sometimes we take a life where the positive outweighs the negative. In other lives we may choose to expiate a negative karmic pattern. We may suffer and dedicate a whole lifetime to paying off that debt. It’s like when you accumulate a lot of leave you go out and enjoy a long holiday. And if you don’t have leave, you slog at work. Both karmas have to work out. If you have goodness in excess you will certainly lead a charmed life where you have no challenges. But karma is not the only factor. There are many life lessons to learn. There are also certain experiences that a soul wants. So we build that into it. Frankly, I don’t think that a materially charmed life is lucky. The person could be emotionally or mentally tortured.
The real test is happiness, fulfilment and contentment, which comes from walking the spiritual path. In my case I have seen that the richer you are, the more miserable. This is because the more you have the more you are mentally strained to preserve it, which is such a huge stress to carry. I realised this so vividly when I went for tapas. I gave up everything. I owned nothing. You can’t imagine the freedom and joy I experienced. I did not have to look after anything, my shares, my home, my property, my car, nothing. I had nothing and I was so happy. It’s a misconception that if you are wealthy, you are having a good time. You may be miserable, and that is where your karma lies. That is where you have to learn that happiness is not in wealth. It is somewhere else.
Does that mean that a rich person is more likely to be on the path of spirituality, and a poor person will take longer because his material desires are still unquenched?
No. It depends on the evolution of the soul. What it has evolved to. So you could have someone from a rich family taking this path, or someone from a very poor family walking on this path. It depends on what you want and how quickly you come to this realization. It depends on your evolution. At one point you have to feel a void. A sense of having it all, and yet experiencing a void. For some people it may take lifetimes, while it might happen very early for others
You spoke of every person having a password for illumination. How can one access it?
You have to access it through practise. What you experience is Atma sakshtkaar, which translates into the revelation of the soul, and that is the experience people work for or long for. When you are revealed the real identity of the soul and what it means to be divine. This revelation is a humungous experience.
Please explain this.
To understand this you have to reinterpret the term God. Actually there is no God. And everything is God. Let me illustrate it through an example. Imagine taking everything on this planet, which includes all rocks, seas, plants, animals and human beings and putting it into a huge mixie grinder. After that take all the planets along with their astral cover and put them in the grinder. Take all the solar systems with whatever lives they contain and put into the grinder. Now puree everything, along with their gods, energies, and masters. You will get a smooth paste. Put this in a vessel, put it on fire and reduce. Some residue would be left. Increase the flame and wipe out the residue too. Now that bowl is a void. There is nothing in the bowl. But the void is pregnant with the whole creation. That is God. That void which can’t be seen, touched or felt, or tasted is God. By this reverse osmosis you will realise why it is so difficult to conceptualize God. When you experience the revelation of the soul, you experience this void. And it is a huge emotion because it is there and not there at the same time. There are no words to describe it. How can you explain an orange sunset to a blind man? To experience this lot of sadhana is involved. After a certain stage you cannot proceed without a guru. I can write it in blood and give it to you. There is no human being who can say that he gets this revelation of the soul entirely on his own. It is like trying to fly the plane without any navigational aid, control tower, or compass.
How does the revelation of the soul experience affect an individual’s life?
It is a watershed experience. It changes your life irrevocably. It changes you. You can’t trace back after that. A certain part of your journey is over. It’s a beautiful life. You know somewhere, somebody is taking care of you. You don’t have to bother about it. There is no fear. It is as liberated as you can get in a physical body. ‘You do not have normal emotions of greed, anger, fear, hatred. So how can you be normal after that? You don’t seem normal to normal people.
Is it possible to reach this stage without having a soul revelation?
If you can burn out deep-rooted desires, sanskaras, and clear mental baggage, certainly you can. But it is a tough call.
Do great avatars like Krishna, Jesus, and Ram go through a similar experience, or are they enlightened since birth as claimed by the scriptures?
These are stories which are sold. No account of the great ones is historically correct. All of them have been tampered with. Even an avatar needs a guru. Physical laws cannot be violated even by an avatar. An avatar is just the human form of an energy. There are certain energies that are responsible for the working of life on a planet. The Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh trilogy are major energies that help life to exist, sustain and function. These energies can create multiple energies from themselves. A Vishnu energy would take out a Varaha energy, a Vaman energy, a Krishna energy and that energy would also exist separately. When they come down, they too would have to abide by the physical law. A guru would be needed to reveal Krishna to Himself. May be for a second but he would have to go through it. Revelation of the soul can only be had in the physical body. Because certain chemical, energetic, neurological factors are involved.
Does the journey of a soul ever end?
If at a certain point you decide to call it a day by merging with the larger energy, you can. You can say I don’t want a separate existence, I have had enough, After a certain time you might again decide to come back and have a separate existence, in some other form. However, you would start at an advanced level of realisation. You don’t start with gross ignorance. You have already covered that.
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