July 2023
Reaching for the SKY
Sri Sathiyamurthi and his wife Smt Meena Sathiyamurthi talk to Rishi Rathod about Kundalini Yoga and the right way of practising it
On a Sunday afternoon, I went to see Sri Sathiyamurthiji and his wife Meenaji, who have been teaching Kundalini Yoga for the past two decades in Bengaluru. Around 7–10 students sat in a private bungalow, listening intently to what was being said. As soon as I entered, I too was asked to sit and absorb the information. Both husband and wife appeared to be quite centred, calm, and full of vigour. Their faces had a soothing aura that I could clearly see. The lunch break was announced after 10 minutes of sitting and listening to him, and during this time, I was able to gather his opinions and ideas regarding Kundalini Yoga. I’ll never forget the wonderful sattvic (conducive to spiritual development) and organic food served as prasad (offering) during lunch. The whole process felt more like an adventure than a simple interview.
Sathiyamurthiji can you explain how Kundalini Yoga can help seekers?
Our guru, Vethathiri Maharishiji started this Kundalini Yoga course and named it ‘Simplified Kundalini Yoga [SKY].’ He developed a simplified version which can help reduce the risk of chronic diseases such as heart disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure. It includes breathing techniques and meditation, which help reduce anxiety and improve overall mental health. Individuals tap into their inner energy reserves, resulting in increased energy, vitality, and a sense of well-being. The most important benefit a sadhak [practitioner] draws is that the door for compassion and spiritual evolution is opened for him.
Every month, workshops are conducted. In six months, you can easily complete all levels, wherein we teach you about the mind, soul, and God, and the relationship between body and mind, mind and soul, and soul and God. Just doing meditation and not having a deeper understanding of these relationships is no good
for a seeker. Meditation along with awareness during non-meditating hours is key. That is why they say, “Don’t just do meditation; live in meditation.”
What are the potential risks or dangers of practising Kundalini Yoga?
As with any form of yoga or physical activity, there are some potential risks or dangers associated with practising SKY:
SKY involves various postures, movements, and breathing exercises that can lead to physical injury if not performed correctly. It’s important to practise under the guidance of a qualified teacher and to listen to your body, avoiding any movements or postures that cause pain or discomfort.
Kundalini Yoga is known for its powerful effects on the mind and emotions. In rare cases, individuals may experience psychological disturbances such as anxiety, depression, or disorientation. This can happen if the practice is done too intensely, too frequently, or without proper guidance. It’s important to start slowly and gradually increase the intensity and frequency of practice under the guidance of a qualified teacher.
Within the context of Kundalini Yoga, what do you think prevents us from reaching our goal of Self-realisation?
At the second level of Kundalini Yoga, one of the things we teach is ‘Sin-imprints and their absolution.’ Basically, we show the sadhaks that karma is preventing a seeker from reaching Self-realisation.
There are three types of karma: Sanchita Karma, or the accumulated past karma; Prarabdha Karma, or that karma experienced through the present body; and Agami Karma, or the result of current actions. One has to purify the Agami
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Kundalini Yoga is known for its powerful effects on the mind and emotions. In rare cases, individuals may experience psychological disturbances such as anxiety, depression, or disorientation. This can happen if the practice is done too intensely, too frequently, or without proper guidance.
Karma through constant awareness. When you live in constant awareness you don’t make mistakes, or rather, you avoid most of them. When you don’t make mistakes, no karma is created. For example, if you don’t borrow money, then you don’t need to pay EMI. So this is how you can purify your Agami Karma.
Prarabdha Karma is your present life imprint from the day you were born. It is all there in the brain cells, body cells, genetic centre [DNA], and your bio-magnetism. Our effort here is to teach you the tools and techniques to purify yourself from these imprints. We take you to the imprinted memory zone and impose new positive thoughts and the right actions. But this may not be enough. If the imprint is longer, then your past thoughts and pattern will resurface from your subconscious. For that, you have to practise longer. Furthermore, through meditation, one has to also go to a space where there is absolute stillness, beyond the mind. That absolute space is beyond the mind and the universe, which we refer to as God. We teach you and help you to connect to that space. Only when you reach such an absolute space will
your total karma dissolve, and you will be able to experience a state of ‘no mind.’ Until then, thoughts keep reflecting from the subconscious mind.
This is what we teach at our third level, and we give Gyana Diksha to a seeker. We teach the mediation to a seeker whereby they move beyond the body, beyond the earth, moon, sun, and the universe.
Can you explain the connection between brainwave frequency and meditation? The mental frequencies are correlated with various states of consciousness. 14 plus is always a waking state in the daytime. 8 to 13 is a dream state, either in the day or at night, and it is also called an alpha wave state. 4 to 7 is the theta wave frequency called Svapna Sushupti, a dreamless deep sleep state in which consciousness roams the universe separate from the mind.
Below this, there is one more state called the delta state with frequencies ranging from 1
to 3. This is a superconscious state, which is also called Turiya Awastha, the state of transcendental or pure consciousness in which the focus is both outward and inward at the same time. This state is Savikalpa Samadhi, a state of bliss when a seeker realises the true or higher Self. Less than 1 frequency is Nirvikalpa Samadhi, a higher state of awareness where only consciousness remains. Only when one reaches less than 1 frequency does one merge with God. So, we cannot go to frequency 1 to 3 at will. This is because we have so much samskara [mental impressions] attached to the body from the past and present, society and nature. If one practises regularly by meditating on the absolute space, at some point it so happens that you go beyond the mind. For me, it happened like this. I got liberated from my mind one fine day. Now I don’t get bothered about digging into the past and thinking about the future, worrying about the children and money.
Actually, we both have reached that space. Me and my wife. We are doing this for more than 20 years now. At least 15 students have directly come and told us that they have reached such a space where they feel complete oneness with the Universe and operate out of no mind. They are leading a satisfied and happy life without making much noise about it.
Can you describe this state? Does this remain continuous or do you come out and go back to the state? How it is to live in the no-mind state?
My dear, once you reach this, it is never lost. Before my eyes, I can only see the Universe all the time. I can only say that once I got liberated from my mind, I realised there are no two. My whole perception changed. So, now I only see people, thoughts, positivity, negativity, situations, incidents, and other things that are different from me, but I don’t judge them at all.
I feel compassion towards them. I see people most of the time acting out of ignorance, and if they continue to do this, they are going to suffer for generations. So I don’t react to anybody, yet at the same time, if someone comes to me for the sake of fighting or arguing, I am prepared to deal with that too. But I don’t need them. I will never stoop down to their level.
An interesting phenomenon happens when you transcend your mind. Suddenly, you realise that everything is falling into place. I feel everything is in perfect sync with the Universe.
Another phenomenon that occurs is that anything you imagine manifests before you even realise it does. You get assistance from society, nature, and everything else. Let me give you a few examples of what I mean. We needed to sell a house, and it happened quickly. We wanted to buy a house, and it all happened in a matter of minutes. That is, while selling, a buyer appeared. Similarly, when we wished to buy, we completed the deal in a matter of a day. Something must have changed dramatically. As if the Universe is listening to your intention and responding with answers or assistance.
In our ashram [spiritual retreat], we had a bull. There was no rain that year. I reasoned that we were overfeeding the bull and should donate it to a local gaushala [cow shelter] where it could be useful. We discussed it in front of the bull and decided to let it go. Because the bull sensed that we were going to send it somewhere, it stopped eating for the next three days. We were worried and unsure as to what to do. Someone advised telling the bull that I will not sell or send it away. I did it, and the bull resumed eating. Amazing, isn’t it!
There was a very emotionally expressive female dog who would give six babies every six
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months. It was overwhelming for me to manage this. Somewhere, I was not comfortable with it. I said, “What is this going on? So many babies every few months?” I was looking at the dog while thinking these negative thoughts. The very next day, the dog went and ate the medicine kept for the plants and died. In yet another incident, I was looking at two trees standing adjacent to each other, obstructing the space. I thought if one of the trees is not there then that space could be used for parking. In the next two months, one tree completely dried out and fell dead.
The point is that thoughts in this state become so powerful that they actually manifest. You must exercise extreme caution. That is one of the reasons why one must perform a great deal of tapas, or sadhana [spiritual practice] to purify oneself and the mind. The most essential thing to remember from these experiences is to never think negatively. Anyway, once you begin living in awareness, good and positive things will happen naturally, and negativity will begin to fade.
No one normally achieves this state overnight. It is a gradual process to arrive at this point. Tapas Shakti must be developed via the consistent practice of meditation and mindfulness in daily life. It’s an issue of commitment; it takes some time. Sadhana is nothing more than calming your mind, purifying your mind, and increasing your consciousness.
So are there any levels of sadhana or practice that you introduce seekers to?
Swamiji has created a systematic structure for this. In the first level, we do ‘Agnya Initiation,’ whereby we take the Kundalini from the Mooladhara Chakra to the Agnya Chakra, bypassing the lower chakras like the Manipura Chakra and Anahata Chakra. Swamiji said that
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these lower chakras are a little riskier as they attract souls. So, when you meditate on the Agnya Chakra, the pituitary gland is activated or charged, which gives constant awareness that remains for the next 12 hours and helps in calming down the mind. Mind is nothing but a continuous projection of your life energy which, in most cases, runs outwards. So you better meditate on the energy.
Energy and consciousness are two inseparable factors of Atma. Consciousness is Atman, and energy is Atma Shakti. But where is everyone’s consciousness? Energy is within and moves in a circuit throughout our system. But your consciousness is always out, constantly thinking of something and projecting somewhere; not present here. So the first step for us is to bring that wavering mind to the energy here, to the origin. Meditate on the Kundalini Shakti—the life force.
What is the importance of the Agnya Chakra? I tried meditating on it a couple of times, but I felt pain and tension in this area. Can you explain why this happens?
Your blood circulates throughout your body, but it has a centre called the heart. Your life energy is also centred in the Mooladhara. As long as there is greater energy concentration at the Mooladhar, your mind prioritises your gross layer: physical body, eating, and so on. You do not comprehend the subtlety of situations or anything vital in life and living. As a result, it has to come up. When it appears, you should meditate on the life energy. It allows you to progress from living on a basic level to understanding and feeling what is going on around you.
I will tell you why you feel the pain. If you try doing it on your own, you might not be able to understand its presence or its original quality.
Kundalini Shakti is Ananda Shakti and Gyana Shakti. It has to give you good ideas and expand your awareness. It has to give you happiness. But this only happens when you take a Sparsh Diksha [Touch Initiation] from a guru. Only after this can you realise the difference. Without the guru’s touch, you will never realise or feel your Agnya Chakra. That is the mistake you have been making.
A 19-year-old girl from central India approached me. She learnt something from YouTube about Kundalini Yoga and started practising it. She was facing some trouble and was requesting help. The source she was learning from was not forthcoming with help.
Following anything like this without proper initiation from a guru is the biggest blunder. Most people are unaware of it. People begin practising without understanding how the mind works. When they begin to practise, whatever is stored in their subconscious mind comes to the fore, causing the problem. The problem is not caused by Kundalini Shakti; it is caused by their own thoughts.
In a month, I am approached by at least four such people who want help because they messed up. Swamiji clearly said that this is a very private practice done under the supervision of a guru and that online teaching or learning is not advisable. But nowadays, who listens to a guru? A book or YouTube cannot be your guru. When you face a problem, YouTube cannot guide you.
Do you impart the knowledge in stages? Yes, there are levels of training or teaching for our simplified kundalini yoga. The first level starts with introspection. We ask students to introspect on their thoughts, desires, and anger, and its origin, and help them see what is worry, what it causes, and how to get rid of it. The first level is also the body level; hence we
initiate students into Agnya Chakra Dhyana, or meditation on the third eye, where the pituitary gland is situated and which is related more to bodily functions. It is also called Sparsh Diksha, or touch-based initiation, as we touch the Agnya Chakra and give initiation. At this point, we teach and give instruction manuals for physical exercises and movements for the body to get ready for channelising energy throughout the system. After this, we begin with dharma or duty consciousness, papa [sin], and punya [virtue].
How to do your dharma? Swamiji explains this in a simple way. He says, “Don’t hurt yourself or others. That is dharma. If you hurt then it is papa and if you do good to other beings by thoughts or deeds then it is punya.” Duty consciousness from the perspective of giving back what one has taken from society and nature becomes part of the seeker’s integral understanding because the body has grown up taking everything from society. So there is a due, and you have to pay it back.
Before winding up on this level, we teach them ‘Panchabhoot-Navgrahaga-Dhyana, or Five elements-nine-planets’ which helps one make friends with the five elements and the nine planets.
What about the other stages?
At the second level, we give Naina Diksha, or initiation through the eyes. It’s done by looking into the eyes of the seeker to expand their mind. It is similar to how a fish looks at the eggs and hatches them. Then comes the Gyan Diksha, or thought wave initiation. A guru looks at a student’s mind, passing the energy through the thought wave to expand it and help raise the shakti. The tortoise lays the eggs on the seashore and goes back to the sea. But only through thoughts does it hatch the eggs. If you kill the tortoise then the eggs will never hatch.
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Similarly, in Gyana Diksha, by thought waves, the guru will do the initiation. The point here is that at this level, we raise the level of your mind by thought. Only when a seeker takes all three dikshas is the entire process considered completed. And one can call oneself a sadhak or a sadhaki. The interesting thing is one need not sit for hours to do this. All three mediations should not exceed 30 minutes. But one should do it daily to produce results.
At the third level, we teach Karma Yoga, Turiyatita meditation, or Crown Chakra Meditation, and nine-chakra meditation which includes seven chakras; the eighth is the universe and the ninth is absolute space. At this level, we teach the students life before birth and life after death. When people acquire some knowledge about life after death, they will be responsible enough to live well. Otherwise, they end up complicating their lives after the demise of this physical body. As life doesn’t cease to exist after the end of the physical body, it continues in different astral dimensions. So, they should know before coming to this birth where they were, their soul, and where it can reach after leaving the body.
Another very interesting topic we cover at this level is why men differ; why there is variance in mankind: Seven reasons and 16 factors which affect an individual to be different from others. Knowing them will free you from all sorts of comparisons.
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You have to go to the ashram for learning Bramha Gyana at the fourth level. There you will be taught how evolution has taken place from static to dynamic, from God to the panchbhootas, and how the evolutionary process has shaped the human race. You will not be taught what we read in science or geography books about us. It is going to be a philosophical way of explaining life and God but in a scientific way. This we call a spiritual science. If you follow and practise what you have learnt here, you will develop the state where you will start seeing that everything is God. You will start to notice God’s presence in everything —small, big, or inanimate things.
Swamiji says that intellectually, you have received Brahma Gyanam and have become Brahma Gyani. Bramha Gyan doesn’t mean that you produce rabbits out of your hat. It is more about you realising your life, its origin, and your purpose. After this, your perception changes; you never commit mistakes that you would have otherwise. You don’t carry a grudge against a person or situation in life; rather, you accept it the way it comes. Without this knowledge, your mind is not trained to accept people, incidents, and situations as they are.
So, in short, in these four levels, what we give is intellectual understanding and after that, your work starts as a sadhak to practice daily to convert this into experiential knowledge.
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